Universal Healthcare

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Quote:AP sources: Senate health overhaul costs top $1.6 trillion

WASHINGTON – The latest cost estimates for health care legislation in Congress are around $1.6 trillion over 10 years, two Senate sources said Tuesday as concerns mounted over the price tag for the sweeping overhaul. Two Senate staffers, one Democratic and one Republican, said Congressional Budget Office estimates put the cost of the Finance Committee version of the bill at around $1.6 trillion.

On Monday, the budget office said the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee version would cost $1 trillion over ten years and only cover about one-third of the nearly 50 million uninsured.

The staffers who disclosed the latest estimates spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of negotiations over the legislation.

A third staffer, a Finance Committee Democratic aide who also spoke on condition of anonymity, indicated committee members are working to lower the cost to less than $1 trillion over 10 years, a level preferred by the Obama administration.

Costs are becoming a big worry for moderate Republicans the administration is hoping to win over, as well as for fiscally conservative Democrats. The high estimates have disappointed senators and slowed down the work of key committees.

Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, on Tuesday said the process that produced Kennedy's bill is "broken."

"We have a fundamental obligation to ensure this legislation does not increase the deficit and, sadly, current congressional health care reform efforts fall woefully short," Snowe said in a statement. Obama also says he wants the bill to be fully paid.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius discounted the importance of the early estimates, while saying the administration wants to keep the cost at about $1 trillion over 10 years, with about two-thirds of that coming from shifting funds from existing health programs like Medicare and Medicaid.

This is friggin outrageous and bs! #%&*!.
How much more crap do we have to put up with this President spending the money we don't have. And to top it off, this shit is a failed system.

[[THANATOS].Huntchuks]

This would never be happening if the economy wasn't so bad. Never.

[[THANATOS].Zer0-^GT]

Let me say this.

Stop the fucking warfare, that makes the US spend TRILION'S a year keeping those soldiers out there. And start looking at the people who actually LIVE in the USA.

Healthcare sucks out there. For real.

[[THANATOS].Sneye.GT]

Canada has free health care. I say "Free", but in actuality everyone that pays taxes, pays for the "Free" healthcare. But it works, if I break myself up, or a a buddy or someone get's hurt, we can either call an ambulance, or take them/go to the emergency room, they ask for your/their OHIP card (Ontario Health Insurance something) and whether you have it or not, you get treated. If you need an MRI or whatever, cost is not an issue, you get fixed. And whether you are a Canadian or not, whether you have ID, whether you have health insurance, blue shield, etc. etc. you get treated to the best of the hospitals and doctor's ability. The only thing we have to pay for is cosmetic stuff, laser eye surgery, lipo, botox, he/she stuff, crap like that. It works for us.

[[THANATOS].-Hades]

[THANATOS Wrote:.Sneye.GT"]Canada has free health care. I say "Free", but in actuality everyone that pays taxes, pays for the "Free" healthcare. But it works, if I break myself up, or a a buddy or someone get's hurt, we can either call an ambulance, or take them/go to the emergency room, they ask for your/their OHIP card (Ontario Health Insurance something) and whether you have it or not, you get treated. If you need an MRI or whatever, cost is not an issue, you get fixed. And whether you are a Canadian or not, whether you have ID, whether you have health insurance, blue shield, etc. etc. you get treated to the best of the hospitals and doctor's ability. The only thing we have to pay for is cosmetic stuff, laser eye surgery, lipo, botox, he/she stuff, crap like that. It works for us.

If done properly, a working system is possible. The complexity of this system is what makes it so hard to attain.

[[THANATOS].Metal]

Washington has a history of over complicating things. The more complicated you make stuff, the more loopholes you can exploit.

[[THANATOS].Wolvie]

[THANATOS Wrote:.Zer0-^GT"]that makes the US spend TRILION'S a year keeping those soldiers out there.

Yeah, okay Zero...

I really don't understand why I should have to pay because some stupid kids got hurt doing something for shits and giggles. Someone please explain.

Natural Selection.

[[THANATOS].Zer0-^GT]

[THANATOS Wrote:.Wolvie"]

[THANATOS Wrote:.Zer0-^GT"]that makes the US spend TRILION'S a year keeping those soldiers out there.

Yeah, okay Zero...

I really don't understand why I should have to pay because some stupid kids got hurt doing something for shits and giggles. Someone please explain.

Natural Selection.

Youll be glad when a car slams the back of your fucking car, makes you limp and not able to walk, then need surgeries and revalidation for years. That will cost you tons and tons of dollars.

Put yourself in that situation. It's not only "kids" who do dumb shit for shits and giggles. And another thing. When your insured they need to know the cause.... if the cause is correct, then youll get insurence to pay for your shit. If a dumbfuck shoot himself in the eye with a paintball gun, cause its "fun". Then he will not be insured.

When :

Quote:Youll be glad when a car slams the back of your fucking car, makes you limp and not able to walk, then need surgeries and revalidation for years.

< that happens, you do have the right for the insurance... to back your costs up.

Think before talking stupid stuff.

Shit makes me angry, all people think about is: Im paying shit to the government, so that kids who do dumbshit get insurance. pfff

You'll thank god when you are in a accident, and the insurance compagny cover your costs.

insurance compagne = Healthcare wtf ever u wnna call it in the all mighty USA.

[[THANATOS].Wolvie]

[THANATOS Wrote:.Zer0-^GT"]

[THANATOS Wrote:.Wolvie"]

[THANATOS Wrote:.Zer0-^GT"]that makes the US spend TRILION'S a year keeping those soldiers out there.

Yeah, okay Zero...

I really don't understand why I should have to pay because some stupid kids got hurt doing something for shits and giggles. Someone please explain.

Natural Selection.

Youll be glad when a car slams the back of your fucking car, makes you limp and not able to walk, then need surgeries and revalidation for years. That will cost you tons and tons of dollars.

Put yourself in that situation. It's not only "kids" who do dumb shit for shits and giggles. And another thing. When your insured they need to know the cause.... if the cause is correct, then youll get insurence to pay for your shit. If a dumbfuck shoot himself in the eye with a paintball gun, cause its "fun". Then he will not be insured.

When :

Quote:Youll be glad when a car slams the back of your fucking car, makes you limp and not able to walk, then need surgeries and revalidation for years.

< that happens, you do have the right for the insurance... to back your costs up.

Think before talking stupid stuff.

Shit makes me angry, all people think about is: Im paying shit to the government, so that kids who do dumbshit get insurance. pfff

You'll thank god when you are in a accident, and the insurance compagny cover your costs.

insurance compagne = Healthcare wtf ever u wnna call it in the all mighty USA.

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I think you missed my point.

[towlie]

I got your point, and if anything it still benefits you cause you now are only paying a tax hike as opposed to the outrageous amounts of money you currently dump into health insurance, if you even have it.

[THANATOS Wrote:.m3d!c"]
How much more crap do we have to put up with this President spending the money we don't have.

Regardless of who ended up President, this term was a political death sentence for them for that very reason. On another note, I love how Republicans love to make it seem like it's Obama's fault our country is completely up shit's creek, now that it's no longer their party in office, especially this early into his term.

[[THANATOS].Zer0-^GT]

towlie Wrote:I got your point, and if anything it still benefits you cause you now are only paying a tax hike as opposed to the outrageous amounts of money you currently dump into health insurance, if you even have it.

Thats what I tried to explain with that wall of text.

[[THANATOS].-Hades]

I can't believe I agree with towlie and to an extent zero, who was confusing at best.

Insurance is costly, good insurance is almost unaffordable. I won't go into detail cause most people know this shit but they just don't like the idea of it becoming welfare, even though in reality it's not if it's run on taxes.

[[THANATOS].m3d!c]

towlie Wrote:I got your point, and if anything it still benefits you cause you now are only paying a tax hike as opposed to the outrageous amounts of money you currently dump into health insurance, if you even have it.

[THANATOS Wrote:.m3d!c"]
How much more crap do we have to put up with this President spending the money we don't have.

Regardless of who ended up President, this term was a political death sentence for them for that very reason. On another note, I love how Republicans love to make it seem like it's Obama's fault our country is completely up shit's creek, now that it's no longer their party in office, especially this early into his term.

It's the same as the Deomcrats blaming the Republicans for this mess...come on now.
Let's see...it's passing 6 months and the Democrats have control of the House and Senate...I didn't see even a SLIGHT change in the "financial crisis." But I do see the deficit is already up the ass, if not, coming out the mouth.

[[THANATOS].Shiver-]

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towlie Wrote:I got your point, and if anything it still benefits you cause you now are only paying a tax hike as opposed to the outrageous amounts of money you currently dump into health insurance, if you even have it.

[THANATOS Wrote:.m3d!c"]
How much more crap do we have to put up with this President spending the money we don't have.

Regardless of who ended up President, this term was a political death sentence for them for that very reason. On another note, I love how Republicans love to make it seem like it's Obama's fault our country is completely up shit's creek, now that it's no longer their party in office, especially this early into his term.

It's the same as the Deomcrats blaming the Republicans for this mess...come on now.

8 years > 6 months

[[THANATOS].Wolvie]

[THANATOS Wrote:.Shiver-"]

[THANATOS Wrote:.m3d!c"]

towlie Wrote:I got your point, and if anything it still benefits you cause you now are only paying a tax hike as opposed to the outrageous amounts of money you currently dump into health insurance, if you even have it.

[THANATOS Wrote:.m3d!c"]
How much more crap do we have to put up with this President spending the money we don't have.

Regardless of who ended up President, this term was a political death sentence for them for that very reason. On another note, I love how Republicans love to make it seem like it's Obama's fault our country is completely up shit's creek, now that it's no longer their party in office, especially this early into his term.

It's the same as the Deomcrats blaming the Republicans for this mess...come on now.

8 years > 6 months

God damn Shiver, Vet school has made you smart.